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Topics in this digest:

1. Celebration Concours, 4/29/2006, 9:00 am
From: dmcnews

2. Re: Re: Oil plug
From: "K.L. (KAYO) Ong" <klo_at_dml_cidio.net>

3. AW: Door latch replacement/upgrade
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

4. Re: Door latch replacement/upgrade
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. RE: Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda
From: "Paul" <willinot_at_dml_ukonline.co.uk>

6. Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>

7. Re: Won't start cold
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>

8. Re: Fuel Accumulator
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

9. Vendors for DCS
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

10. New DeLorean t-shirt designs now available at BTTF.com
From: "BTTF.com" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>

11. RE: DeLorean Key Blanks
From: <rob_at_dml_pjgrady.com>

12. Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>

13. DCS Raffle Car Update!
From: Patrick Conlon <PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com>

14. RE: 3461 and 16879 Home Again!!!
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_jlsii.com>

15. Re: Any Tennessee DeLorean Owners?
From: "Robert Lingo" <rlingo_at_dml_midsouth.rr.com>





Message: 1
Date: 15 Apr 2006 12:56:03 -0000
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Subject: Celebration Concours, 4/29/2006, 9:00 am


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:08:54 -0400
From: "K.L. (KAYO) Ong" <klo_at_dml_cidio.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Oil plug

"Necessity is the mother of inventions."

I had suggested to "getting a cheap ratchet" as not to use a good ratchet, unless one wants to.

In the beginning, I too, I had gone through the method of using "stock key material" as to heating it with a torch and bend it to a 90 degree and then to grind it the to the required size.  I didn't like the feel of the square stock so I used an over sized allen wrench, which was then grounded to size.  Since I don't have the luxury to use a lift and using these fabricated stock key or the allen wrench which is too short as in applying leverage or to get a good working angle while laying on my back with your arm stretched out was a struggle for me.  The Snap On Tool on a ratchet was better but there is also little room and it too was a hassle just to juggle the combination onto the plug with one hand while lying down.  I decided to modify a cheapo ratchet that I had, since it is overall shorter, it will be more maneuverability between the oil pan and the frame.

With the modified ratchet, once it is on it sits dead flush on the plug and it doe not rock or move while offering many workable angles by the ratchet mechanism.  Coupled with the ratchet's long handle, it offers good leverage in the removal or the installing of the plug without the slippage or marring of the plug's opening when the pressure is applied.  This all can be done with one hand which is much faster and more effective without the scrapping of the knuckles or the hurting of fingers from the applied pressure with the stock key or allen units.  For me it was a matter of working smarter and not harder and my modified ratchet is well worth its weight in gold after the very first oil change and it has served me with over twenty seven oil changes on every scheduled 3,000 plus miles.  And it is still going….. Another oil change is due next week.

BTW, a friend of mine discarded that “cheap ratchet” that I got off him when he purchased a set of real professional name brand tools.....  So, one man’s junk is another man’s treasure.

Anyway, I was just sharing my experiences for it had worked very well for me and it could be an alternative way for those who may wanted to  
go this way to have a dedicated oil plug tool.   :-)



Kayo Ong

#5508  (Ten years of ownership as of two weeks ago)

Lic  9D NY





On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Joe Palatinus wrote:

> I suppose everyone has their method, but I am surprised no one has 
> mentioned this one yet: just get an 8mm hex key (maybe 3$ at sears) 
> and grinding down the edges to make it rectangular.  The key has a 90 
> degree angle already and fits right in the hole for the plug.  I have 
> used this technique several times with much success, and you don't 
> need to destry a good ratchet.
> Joe P.
> 17167 6808
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:21:48 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Door latch replacement/upgrade

Wayne,
if you had read the DML regularly you would know that I started
that discussion about one year ago but people weren't interested.

There are Deloreans out there that can be locked while the doors are open.
I never found out when the lachtes were replaced, but there are original
latches that work like you want them to work.

Another way is to install a diode and a resistor on the correct place
in the door lock module and the power locks won't work as long
as a door os open.

Elvis 6 6548





The fact that hitting the lock/unlock switch with doors open can cause
misalignment and malfunction is a collossal pain in the butt. Since our cars
are
the only ones that I've seen that work that way, I can't help but wonder,
"WHY?"  And isn't there a car out there with door latches that would be more
user
friendly, if adapted to fit? I've been on the DML for maybe 6 or 7 years and
I
 don't recall anyone ever discussing this. Hasn't anyone ever tried it? Of
course  I realize that we use 2 latches instead of one, but that's an inside
the
door  issue, not a latch issue per se. Don't other cars use link rods too,
in
some  fashion?


Wayne A.  Ernst
vin 11174
Bridgeton, NJ






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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:54:43 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Door latch replacement/upgrade

There're plenty of cars over here that won't let you pop the locks when 
the door is open. It's a simple mechanism whose function is to prevent 
you from locking yourself out of the car. On my Citroen, for example, 
the rear doors will let you, the front doors won't. If you try, the 
button is rock solid.

However on a lot of cars, you -can- pop the locks with the doors open by 
lifting the handle first. The DeLorean is in this category, although I 
won't go as far as to recommend doing it, I certainly do it.

I think the biggest problem is those big solenoids. When they work, they 
don't haf pull hard and there's enough play in the complex linkage (by 
the standard of any other car) to trigger them even when the latches 
don't want to move. This forces the latches or at least put a lot of 
strain on what can be some pretty fine adjustments in those linkages. 
It's no wonder that most "I can't get my door open" problems relate to 
the front lock rod which is long and bent into a Z-shape.

These latches are common to a large number of cars and are still in 
production today and used on new cars

Martin

deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>The fact that hitting the lock/unlock switch with doors open can cause  
>misalignment and malfunction is a collossal pain in the butt. Since our cars are  
>the only ones that I've seen that work that way, I can't help but wonder, 
>"WHY?"  And isn't there a car out there with door latches that would be more user  
>friendly, if adapted to fit? I've been on the DML for maybe 6 or 7 years and I 
> don't recall anyone ever discussing this. Hasn't anyone ever tried it? Of 
>course  I realize that we use 2 latches instead of one, but that's an inside the 
>door  issue, not a latch issue per se. Don't other cars use link rods too, in 
>some  fashion? 
> 
> 
>Wayne A.  Ernst
>vin 11174
>Bridgeton, NJ
>
>  
>






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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:45:05 +0100
From: "Paul" <willinot_at_dml_ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda

How do I check these?  I know the fuel pump is a new pump so it should be ok
but where is the primary pressure regulator.

I have already replaced an "o" ring just below where all the fuel hoses
connect to.

Im going to run the car a bit more today to see it if settles down cos it
was 11.30pm when I finishes last night and only really had time to start her
once and go for a run to warm her up and restart about 15-20 mins after.

Thanks.

Paul J 
2493
-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Teitelbaum
Sent: 15 April 2006 02:41
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda

Could also be the check valve on the fuel pump and the Primary
Pressure Regulator.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "willinot" <willinot_at_dml_...> wrote:
>
> 
> What a day Now I know what everyone is talking about when they say the
> Accumulator replacement is a nightmare.  I never want to do that again. 
> 
> Ive managed (at last) to get it sorted though.  Only took bout half h







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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:28:34 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda

I don't remember if you posted what you had done previously but have you
done a complete tune-up including new injectors? After twenty-five years
mechanical parts get clogged and springs lose their tension.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573

After the test run and 15mins stop for a restart, the
engine now turns over and over and over and eventually fires to life after a
bit of throttle whereas before changing the accumulator, when I tried to
start her the engine would turn over, start and die off again.  After four
attempts she then started (I have the relay fitted to by pass the hot start
problem so that I can at least get it to start eventually).






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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:32:29 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Won't start cold

You may want to check and readjust your CO setting. I know on my car just a
minute turn on the CO setting is the difference of starting and not starting
when cold and sometimes even when hot. Try setting the CO a little more
richer.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edherrmann" <edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: [DML] Won't start cold


> Car just cranks and won't start. Fuel pump works, fuel injectors are
> spraying, accumulator just replaced and holding pressure at the air
> sensor plate, checked spark plugs for spark, cold sart valve spraying
> when cranked, thermo time switch just replaced and air sensor plate
> adjusted for rich and lean setting at each crank. Also checked fuses
> and safty switch under drivers side. Can't figure out why it won't
> start. Any suggestions. Thanks  ED







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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:19:04 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Accumulator

Well after getting the accumulator we put it in the car and this one was a  
far cry from the previous attempt at removing the accumulator.
It came out easily and it went back in easy.   Actually the  hardest thing 
was to get a tie wrap back in there since there is no hand  room.
The previous one I did would not separate even after the nut was off and we  
ended up replacing the fuel line as the easier option (and no we did not  
separate the frame from the car) anyway that is done
 
Busy night last night we replaced the antenna on the raffle car, did some  
wiring on it, changed oil on another Delorean and loaded up some computers for  
the car show.
For once a nice productive evening.
 
Ken


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:06:47 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Vendors for DCS

Well we are now at the two months and counting time for the DCS show in  
Chicago.
This year we are expecting a really big crowd to come through and unlike  
past shows where we just dropped off some tables and let the vendors fill in,  
This time space is becoming an issue so we would like to get an idea of who is  
going to be selling stuff at the show.
 
There is no charge for a vendors table but all I ask is that you donate  
something to the Raffle.
 
So if you want a table (s) e-mail me back with how many tables you  want.
This is just a preliminary guess and we will be able to accommodate you if  
you need more or less but it will give us a better idea of whom is coming
 
Please respond offlist to me 
 
thanks
 
Ken


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:06:35 -0000
From: "BTTF.com" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>
Subject: New DeLorean t-shirt designs now available at BTTF.com

BTTF.com's Time Travel Terminal (http://www.bttf.com/store/) now has 
two new t-shirt designs in stock and ready to ship:

http://www.bttf.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BTTF%2DRetro%2DSky
http://www.bttf.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BTTF%2DRetro%
2DPowder

Stephen Clark,
BTTF.com









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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:03:44 -0400
From: <rob_at_dml_pjgrady.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Key Blanks

Matt, Andrew & DML group,

FWI we have just received a small quantity of early style door key blanks
that have an ignition key style fob molded onto them. They are easily
distinguished from the ignition key by their slightly shorter and fatter
blank size and fit into a pocket easier than the original blank(Still a
little bulky for your wallet Matt but I could probably get you an un-molded
blank if you wish). They have no internal lighting parts to fall apart and
look correct to the car to anyone unfamiliar to the original lighted blanks.
The original lighted blank is too costly and complicated to produce in small
quantities so this is the best option currently available. The cost is
$14.95 and they are available now on our website.

Thank You,

Rob Grady

P.J.Grady Inc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
conundrum1984
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:03 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] DeLorean Key Blanks

Andrew,
The problem I have is they don't have the blank for the early 
doors.  Also, I like to put a spare key in my wallet just in case.  
And a molded key will make it bulky in there.  I still might get a 
couple with the DMC molded head on them, but I can get ones here at 
work cheaper by close to $10 less.

Matt
VIN: 2953

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_...> wrote:
>
> Matt,
> Save yourself some hassle mate and just buy your key
> blanks from DMC Texas.They're reproductions but look
> the same as original ones.The other vendors may sell
> them too.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew 
> VIN 2883
> Australia







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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:37:31 -0000
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Accumulator - Hot start fixed - Kinda

Sounds like your fuel distributor isn't holding lower end pressure, 
check to see if your fuel adjuster O ring on right lower side of FD 
with Nut on it, I'll bet it's broken, rotted out or gone. this would 
cause your fuel to go back to your tank instead of holding the 
pressure causeing turn over but no start.
Lawrence 



In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "willinot" <willinot_at_dml_...> wrote:
>
> 
> What a day Now I know what everyone is talking about when they say 
the
> Accumulator replacement is a nightmare.  I never want to do that 
again. 
> 
> Ive managed (at last) to get it sorted though.  Only took bout 
half hour to
> fit............................it was the 4hrs to get the old one 
off that
> really had the air around me blue ;-).  Ended up pulling the 
centre console
> out as Woody suggested.  One thing I also done (don't know it you 
would
> usually do it, but it really helped) was instead of unscrewing the 
17mm
> fitting from the accumulator I loosened the one on the fuel line 
which
> allowed me to drop the accumulator through 90 degrees and "wiggle" 
it off
> the line a lot easier than loosening it from the accumulator 
(still awkward
> but definitely easier).  It was actually bending into the top of 
the
> accumulator when I tried to loosen it there.
> 
> Anyway that's the job done thankfully and the hot start problem 
seems to be
> sorted - well kinda!  After the test run and 15mins stop for a 
restart, the
> engine now turns over and over and over and eventually fires to 
life after a
> bit of throttle whereas before changing the accumulator, when I 
tried to
> start her the engine would turn over, start and die off again.  
After four
> attempts she then started (I have the relay fitted to by pass the 
hot start
> problem so that I can at least get it to start eventually).
> 
> Maybe this is normal (as Ive had the hot start problem since 
buying the car)
> but it just seems strange that it has to turn over so much before 
firing.
> When she is cold (at least before changing the accumulator) she 
would start
> on the first turn.  
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions. 
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Paul J 
> Belfast
> 2493 
> 
> 
> 
> Ps:  Ive already replace the "o" ring in the check valve.
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:27:00 -0400
From: Patrick Conlon <PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: DCS Raffle Car Update!

I had the opportunity to help work on the DCS raffle car this  
weekend, and I am blown away by how great this car looks.  This  
weekend we put in a new stainless steel antenna, and it has to be the  
fastest operating antenna in the world.  It flies up and down so fast  
you can't blink or you might miss it.  It is nice being able to get  
radio reception in that car again.

A new reproduction wide black sidestripe was installed today as well,  
and it really makes the car look phenomenal.  The grain is great, as  
are the body panel fits.  This is nicer than a lot of D's I have  
seen, and I can't believe that Ken is really willing to part with  
this car in a raffle.

If you haven't bought a raffle ticket yet, there is still time!
http://www.deloreancarshow.com/delorean-raffle-car.html

See you in June!
Patrick C.
1880





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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:57:34 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_jlsii.com>
Subject: RE: 3461 and 16879 Home Again!!!

I took today to break out both cars and do a nice solid cleanup on them.
I must say the heat got to me and the 83 did not get a complete job, but
I snapped some pictures including a couple of the 2 tone DMCH seats for
you Thomas. 
 
http://jlsii.com/dmc/2%20Tone%20Seats1.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/2%20Tone%20Seats2.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/Rear%20Fascia.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/Front%20Fascia.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/One%20Winged.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/Twin%20Wings%202.JPG
http://jlsii.com/dmc/Twin%20Wings.JPG
 
The pictures of the front and rear fascia are post painting.  My paint
was faded and starting to flake off.  I went to a great local Body Shop
here in Tampa and they did it on the car for $250.00 each including the
lower trim areas -- all on the car to boot!!!  I went with the lighter
DMC color in clear coat (my car had one style on front and the other
style on back but no one ever noticed).  The body shop had someone from
Dupont come in and help them match the color.  I am very happy with the
outcome, but you guys can judge for yourselves.
 
It was weird washing them both together for the first time, I would be
polishing for a while and forget which car I was working on...  Maybe it
was the heat, I got one heck of a sunburn and had to retire to the pool
for about an hour to recuperate.
 
Jack Stiefel - Tampa, Fl
DMC Vin 03461
www.fmtimemachine.com


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:24:44 -0500
From: "Robert Lingo" <rlingo_at_dml_midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Any Tennessee DeLorean Owners?

I'm in lower TN, but lower west TN, Lakeland to be exact.

Lingo #2034

> Hey Guys!
>
>  I was wondering if there were any DeLorean owners in the lower TN area, 
> around Pulaski, Lawrenceburg, etc.?  If so, contact me off-list, I come up 
> there a lot on weekends and always enjoy meeting fellow D enthusiasts/ 
> owners.
>
>  Rob Greenhaw
>  wylldshark (at) yahoo.com






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