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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. EFI injector question
From: "Nick" <nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. RE: 3461 and 16879 Home Again!!!
From: Thomas Mc Auley <dmc4087_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

3. Any Western Kentucky Owners ?
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>

4. shift knob
From: "andy" <andyblackmon_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Re: EFI injector question
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. Re: EFI injector question
From: DAVID BAUERLE <dave.bauerle1_at_dml_verizon.net>

7. EFI conversion
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

8. Re: Vendors for DCS
From: Bryan Pearce <bryanp_at_dml_pearce-design.com>

9. D sighting
From: "dmc_5180" <dmc_5180_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Vendors for DCS
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. Michigan Spring Meet II 5/20/06 Tech & Fun RSVP
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>

12. San Diego Rolling British Car day makes it into local paper
From: Christopher Mack <christopher_mack_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Any Tennessee DeLorean Owners?
From: Chris Murley <qumefox_at_dml_gmail.com>

14. Re: EFI injector question
From: "Nick" <nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. PNDC Portland tech session
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:01:19 -0000
From: "Nick" <nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: EFI injector question

Hi,

Just after some thoughts over an efi injector installation. 

I am very close to finishing an EFI and supercharger installation on my Delorean which should fire into life this week as soon as i get a start-up MAP in the computer.

What i have done is found the longest Bosch injector that is readily available ( bosch 0 280 150 091 ) which was off an Australian GM V6. 
I then cut down the old K jetroinc injector tube so the EFI injector reached further into the head. 

I then machined down the Bosch injector so as it's lower body fitted inside this old K jetronic tube and seals with a 14mm o'ring around the injector. My aim was to have the injector as far into the head as possible.

Ok to my question! After all this the injector spray tips are now only 2-3mm from the inside of the inlet chamber.
My thought was that this style of injector has a rather pencil type spray pattern so this would not be a problem, but in reality my concern is that part of the sprayed fuel would atomise on the inside of the old K jetronic injector tube and drip causing other issues.

Do you think this is a valid concern ? ? 

I am aware that only time will tell but as i have the option of changing things on the run at the moment i was after other opinions, thoughts or experiences.


Cheers, Nick - Sydney


Ps - i will post some pic's soon of the completed job 









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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:50:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Thomas Mc Auley <dmc4087_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 3461 and 16879 Home Again!!!

Hey!
  Thanks for the pics! The cars look great, and now I cant decide what to do! The bumpers turned out well too. I had alocal bodyshop do my front bumper and it caem out very well, although it seems to have a hint of red in it! Nobody notices it either, unless its parked beside another DeLorean and you are looking for differences. I replaced the back bumper with a brand new one, so I might have them match the colour for Eurofest!
   
  Weather sounds pretty nice where you are, here in Belfast (if the sun comes out) its just warm enough to make do without a coat. It should get a little warmer in the summer!
   
  Out of curiousity, are you guys not required to have a front number plate? I have seen a few pics of American cars without them. I suppose it depends on what state you live in?
   
  Thanks for going to the effort for the pics!
  Thomas McAuley
  Vin #4087

Jack Stiefel <jack_at_dml_jlsii.com> wrote:
  I took today to break out both cars and do a nice solid cleanup on them.
I must say the heat got to me and the 83 did not get a complete job, but I snapped some pictures including a couple of the 2 tone DMCH seats for you Thomas. 

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:27:12 -0000
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>
Subject: Any Western Kentucky Owners ?

Hello, I will be in Werstern Ky from the 22nd to the 30th any owners around the Murray,Dexter,Hazel,Ken Lake Area, Pairs TN, Looking for things to do & see Again.
Lawrence








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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:06:27 -0000
From: "andy" <andyblackmon_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: shift knob

I am looking for a stainless or aluminum shift knob for the Delorean. 
Once upon a time there was a company called Putsch Design on the web who offered these but they seem to be out of business. I have looked over the web and have a few options but if anyone here knows where the best place to get this item let me know. I would like the knob with the shift pattern on it. I have no real choice between brushed stainless or aluminum, I am sure someone here has done this any advice is welcome.

Andy Blackmon 03513







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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:23:56 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: EFI injector question

No not really. Most modern ECUs actually switch off the injectors on overrun. When they fire back up again, the ecu will have a setting for enrichment for a fraction of a second - this function is to wet the walls of the inlet tract that would have dried out in overrun. The inlet tract is expected to have fuel wetting it. This is also part of the reason for enrichment in warm up

Martin

Nick wrote:

>Do you think this is a valid concern ? ? 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: DAVID BAUERLE <dave.bauerle1_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: EFI injector question


Nick,
It would be best from an emission and fuel economy issue to have the fuel be fully atomized and not dripping. In all reality I doubt that you will see a great difference in power either way. If you can modify it now, why not? It sounds like you have worked too hard to cut corners now. 

Dave
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Nick <nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi,

Just after some thoughts over an efi injector installation. 

I am very close to finishing an EFI and supercharger installation on my Delorean which should fire into life this week as soon as i get a start-up MAP in the computer.

What i have done is found the longest Bosch injector that is readily available ( bosch 0 280 150 091 ) which was off an Australian GM V6. 
I then cut down the old K jetroinc injector tube so the EFI injector reached further into the head. 

I then machined down the Bosch injector so as it's lower body fitted inside this old K jetronic tube and seals with a 14mm o'ring around the injector. My aim was to have the injector as far into the head as possible.

Ok to my question! After all this the injector spray tips are now only 2-3mm from the inside of the inlet chamber.
My thought was that this style of injector has a rather pencil type spray pattern so this would not be a problem, but in reality my concern is that part of the sprayed fuel would atomise on the inside of the old K jetronic injector tube and drip causing other issues.

Do you think this is a valid concern ? ? 

I am aware that only time will tell but as i have the option of changing things on the run at the moment i was after other opinions, thoughts or experiences.


Cheers, Nick - Sydney




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:35:55 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: EFI conversion

Off the back of Nick's post, I thought I'd mention that we now have an ECU that's been set up to accept the DeLorean distributor signal and mappable for both fuel and ignition on our odd-fire lumps (that doesn't cost the earth). We already have a considerably simplified intake manifold that is a single unit that holds injectors, rails, knock sensor, throttle body, MAT sensor and throttle spool that bolts right up to the DeLorean heads. All that's required is the old injector ports be capped off. Time's getting seriously tight but hoping to have a full Stage II with EFI for Eurofest - christened by one of our customers "EFIII"

This setup has been designed to daisy-chain into the distributor pickup and drive the stock amplifier (keeping rev counter, coil, rpm relay and idlespeed system untouched), and apart from a bit of wiring, new lambda sensor, two fuel hoses and all the vaccum feeds to the brake servo, mode switch and charcoal cannister, this is simply a drop-in replacement for the stock intake manifold. Ideal for any turbo owners to *finally* set everything up with no mickey-mouse fuelling and ignition hacks :-) And we already know from our stage I how much you can gain just from a different ignition curve. The real beauty is the ECU is adaptive and will write its own map as you drive. The only downside is that the top of the engine will look very different.

Sounds too good to be true? Watch this space :-)

Martin
DMC Ltd

Nick wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Just after some thoughts over an efi injector installation. 
>
>I am very close to finishing an EFI and supercharger installation on my 
>Delorean which should fire into life this week as soon as i get a 
>start-up MAP in the computer.
>






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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:50:28 -0500
From: Bryan Pearce <bryanp_at_dml_pearce-design.com>
Subject: Re: Vendors for DCS

Ken,

Providing I can get the Tellus carrier working correctly, I plan to display the carrier  with a frame.  I also have an 8' x 10' display board to use as a background that will contain various engineering drawings and other PDC info.  In addition to the frame/Tellus display, I would like to reserve a table.  As for the raffle, we will donate something Stainless.

--
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Bryan Pearce
Pearce Design Components
2N629 Jefferson St.
West Chicago, IL  60185
Phone:   (630) 293-0945
Fax:     (630) 293-0944

DeLorean Part Fabrication
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On Apr 15, 2006, at 9:06 AM, kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Well we are now at the two months and counting time for the DCS show 
> in Chicago.
> This year we are expecting a really big crowd to come through and 
> unlike past shows where we just dropped off some tables and let the 
> vendors fill in, This time space is becoming an issue so we would like 
> to get an idea of who is going to be selling stuff at the show.
>
> There is no charge for a vendors table but all I ask is that you 
> donate something to the Raffle.
>
> So if you want a table (s) e-mail me back with how many tables you   
> want.
> This is just a preliminary guess and we will be able to accommodate 
> you if you need more or less but it will give us a better idea of whom 
> is coming
>
> Please respond offlist to me
>
> thanks
>
> Ken
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:53:35 -0000
From: "dmc_5180" <dmc_5180_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: D sighting

Hey group,

A friend of a friend spotted A yellow Delorean in a casino Parking lot in Hinkley, MN A couple 
weeks ago.  Apparently, It was a flatter and lighter yellow than Ron Westers Screamn Yellow 
D. It had Stock wheels and the wide black stripe with ILLINOIS plates. 

Has anyone ever heard of or seen this car?


Dennis








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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:08:53 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Vendors for DCS

Sounds good 
Do you still need my trailer to bring the Tellus Carrier over if so you are 
free to use it.  The carrier should be able to drive right up the trailer. I 
can flip the springs to get it lower if needed.

Are you planning on shipping it with the frame on it already

We also can bring one or two pallet jacks and they can move it if the carrier 
is not fully functional.  I heard at last it will go one direction but not 
the other.

For those of you that do not know what a Tellus Carrier is
This is the carrier used in the factory that moved the unfinished cars 
around.
You see them in the films and slides and we have a lot of shots of them in 
the plant.
this may be your only chance to ever see one up close and personal as they 
say

Bryan  what is the number on the carrier.

Ken


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:59:44 -0000
From: "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>
Subject: Michigan Spring Meet II 5/20/06 Tech & Fun RSVP

Hello, 
I've been working on getting things ready for the Spring Meet Starting 
At 9.00am till when ever & I have all kinds of tools I have a New 4 
post hoist works great,we can check frames, Fuel tanks, Oil pans trans 
gaskets, Any thing you need Just make sure to bring the Parts you 
need, I'm trying to get 00915a done so it won't be on the hoist & I 
can get it out of the way, Email me for what kind of repairs you need 
done or want to do,I'll have burgers & dogs, Later on we can take a 
drive down Metro park drive, then end up at the crazy Leppricann on 
the corner of my street, reserved parking already made 20-30 cars will 
fit on this side of lot. PLEASE RSPV if attending as I have to try to 
set up work area so no congestion for in & out.
Thanks, 
Lawrence 313-506-3786 cell
vin#'s 00538m,00915a,1024m,4873a








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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:41:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Mack <christopher_mack_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: San Diego Rolling British Car day makes it into local paper


The 11th annual San Diego rolling british car day made it into the San Diego Union tribune newspaper.  David Cox was interviewed for the article and a picture of his 1983 DMC (gery interior 5 speed) DMC-12 was taken and used in the atricle.  I can be seen in the background of the picture on the left side.  Three DeLoreans initially turned out for the event, but we had a total of 5 DeLoreans for the picnic at the end of the cruise.  IT was very nice despite the rain.. Looking forward to doing it next year.  Here is the URL for the article

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20060416-9999-1mi16roll.html

-Chris Mack
DeLorean 06453


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:24:41 -0500
From: Chris Murley <qumefox_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Any Tennessee DeLorean Owners?

Robert Lingo wrote:
> I'm in lower TN, but lower west TN, Lakeland to be exact.
>
> Lingo #2034
>
>
>> Hey Guys!
>>
>>  I was wondering if there were any DeLorean owners in the lower TN area,
>> around Pulaski, Lawrenceburg, etc.?  If so, contact me off-list, I come up
>> there a lot on weekends and always enjoy meeting fellow D enthusiasts/
>> owners.
>>
>>  Rob Greenhaw
>>  wylldshark (at) yahoo.com
>>
I'm in Jackson, TN. My D is currently still just a pile o parts though.
Haven't had much chance to work on it much over the winter, and just now
getting back into the swing of working on it regularly again, though it
seems like everything I do with it lately turns out to be a royal pain
in the rear involving it, from breaking bolts to frozen wheel bearing
races. I can see why a lot of people get frustrated and give up on
projects like mine and just sell them as is.

--
Chris
VIN# 3209
http://badger.brazi.net/index.pl/delorean






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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:07:22 -0000
From: "Nick" <nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: EFI injector question

Thanks for the responces. 

In answer to Daves question, i just want to get the thing finished 
and if the injector is only 3mm inside the injector tube will it 
really make a difference ???? Or am i splitting hairs. I would have 
to buy purpose injectors to achieve that 3mm reach. The injectors i 
modified have a pencil type spray pattern anyway so hopefully that 
will do the job. 
I suppose if it was an issue nothing would have to be changed except 
the injectors. The fuel rails would still remain the same.


Martin -  Sounds like a great kit you are offering and as i have 
just gone through all the custom work involved in modification, a 
bolt on sounds like a great option for other people looking to do 
this!

FYI I have the ECU activating off a 3 x 120 deg crank triggered hall 
sensor. I had a custom front pulley made for this and modified the 
distrubutor so that i only get a single cam trigger.

I have the ECU activating the Fans sequentially at different 
temperatures through their own relays and also controlling the A/C 
idle up.

The ECU (haltech) i am using is fully programmable to adapt to odd 
fire meaning i can also trigger the injectors at the correct times 
etc..

It was hard to believe the amount of wiring i cut out of the engine 
bay by removing the K jetronic. 

Thanks again , Nick







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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:12:46 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: PNDC Portland tech session

Hi folks,

I thought I'd share with the group some of the highlights from the 
PNDC tech session arranged in the Portland, OR area  yesterday 
(well, it was actually in my shop).

We had a total of 10 cars on the premises, and we enjoyed making 
various adjustments and fixes into the early evening hours. A 
partial list of some of the items including replacing an angle 
drive, replacing brake lines, torsion bar adjustments (several of 
those), some electrical work, parking brake adjustments, door 
striker pin adjustments, transmission oil change, shift linkage bolt 
replacement, and lots of other little stuff. We made good use of the 
lift, and enjoyed working without having to lay on our backs.

It was another record-setter. The last tech session we hosted had 
record-breaking heat (105 degrees) -- this time according to the 
weatherman, was a record cold day for April 15. Fortunately, the 
woodstove in the shop kept the place at a comfortable shit-sleeve 
working temerature.

Despite my predictions, we got through all the cars that wanted some 
work without anyone getting hurt and without breaking anyone's car. 
I guess I'll save the knuckle bandages for the next time.

... and a good time was had by all!

Thanks to everyone that came by and to Toby and Gary from PNDC for 
coming all the way down to share their expertise. I enjoyed 
everyone's company and look forward to the next time we have a 
chance to wrench on the cars a bit.

  Knut









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